If you were capable of reading an entire post before having a fanboy breakdown you might have been able to comprehend the entire point I was making but obviously that's expecting too much.

Fanboy breakdown?? In regards to?


The only reason anyone ever says "oh fanboy" is that they have no coherent or justifiable counter to the comment/discussion.


Your point was:

People want pick up and play / put down short butts portable games for the most part right?

I say this is wrong. People do want these games, but the biggest games are the larger more involving titles.

Plus play time and involvement is all relative. My mum can sit and play TETRIS for hours.

Mister, when you stop acting like a 14 year old and calling people fanboys, can you please explain to me how you know "everyone" wants to play quick and short bursts of games. I wasn't aware you had this amazing oversight of the worlds population.

I'm pretty damn sure there are thousands, infact probably millions of people across the world who enjoy playing on their DS/3DS/PSP on a daily basis whilst they travel to work, go on a plane etc. Some people do actually want games that have a bit of depth and last longer than 2 minutes.

I don't even understand what we are discussing here anymore? All I can remember is you saying the IPhone has done more for portable gaming than the Nintendo DS ever did which is frankly ridiculous. The DS bloody created touch screen gaming!

I know you're probably going to retaliate with some facts about how more people have bought an IPhone game etc, the sales prove it etc, but thats because a hell of a lot of people own an Iphone and those games are 60pence, of course more people are going to buy them.

So what exactly has Apple down to revolutionise gaming?!

The flaw in your argument Jonny!

This gaming forum is scary stuff. I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Aye, we're all pissy at the end of the day

So the Wii U is 50% more powerful than a 5 year old console. Bravo...

What else would it be?

It seems pointless boasting that it's more powerful than a PS3, of course it is, the PS3 is 5 years old, it's not that difficult.

Oh but it is.

You might have a super powerful core but if you don't have everything else to back it up - removable media size, power, GPU, heat management etc then it's pointless.

P.S: who's boasting?

I don't know tbh, this thread has been full of such pretentious bullshit I kinda skimmed saw the mention of 50% more powerful and thought it was silly.

Some dude from an analyst group as developers and they were finding it had 50% more power than PS3.

It is interesting in the fact that it's only 3 cores right? That's neat.

Your need to leap to the defence of Nintendo.


Or because you didn't actually read the post I made but instead saw red as soon as you saw I wasn't praising the DS.


No that was part of the point I made. The full point I made was that portable gaming is never going to replace console gaming and that in reality most people won’t want a portable gaming device in an era when they have increasingly powerful smart phones, tablets and other portable devices that offer not only functionality but gaming as well. Like I said before we’re now entering into an era where people are spending a couple of hundred pounds (if not more) on a smart phone are they then really going to want to spend another £200+ on a portable gaming device that isn't really offering them anything new? And lets not pretend that we're not approaching a point where the more immersive stuff lands on smart phones etc. When that happens the DS, PSV etc. are dead in the water because they can't compete functionality wise.


Or alternatively you can read what I actually wrote:

For the most part when people are on the move they don't want an immersive game that requires 100 hours of game play and their undivided attention. They want something they can pick-up and play and just as easily put down again.

And how do I know this? Because of what people are and aren't buying. Have you look at the rate at which app store games are selling? Its an extreme example no doubt but how many portable games or console games for that matter can match Angry Birds sales? Which some are stating is more than 200 million at this point. Then there's stuff like Doodle Jump which in 2010 passed a million sales in one month. Gamers who buy stuff like Pokemon for the DS aren't representative of the market.


I’ll preface this by saying that in fairness it’s not just Apple but they are the prominent market leader on this front

Opened it up to a massive mainstream audience that Nintendo haven’t even come close to touching by putting a portable gaming device into the pocket of God knows how many people the world over. Since its inception the iPhone alone has sold around 110 million units combine that with sales of the iPod touch, the iPad (although I confess that obviously doesn’t fit in people’s pockets) and this generation of competing smart phones and you have a ridiculous number of units sold that dwarves Nintendo and Sony sales combined.

Then of course there’s the fact that the App Store has filled a huge hole in the market by providing affordable easily playable games that are massively enjoyable not to mention easily recommended and shared with friends. They also open the door to first time publishers to get a foot into the gaming world and actually make some money. They’re also exploited the huge market for people who don’t want to spend decent chunks of change on gaming but want cheap games that they can pick-up and play without issue. Put an iPhone in someone’s hands and chances are they’ll be able to pick-up and play a game. Put a DS or a 3DS in someone’s hands and it’s not quite that straight forward.

I actually jumped in to defend traditional portable console gaming.

Monster Hunter is a massive PlayStation Portable franchise, which just shows how much you know.

You seem to really hate Nintendo, the DS family and everything that doesn't fit with what you believe or say.

I think it's best that you not spend a day thinking of retorts to the points here. We are never, EVER, EVER going to see eye to eye. You don't really seem to understand the industry, or points being made, by myself and others, and I haven't really seen you posting in here until E3 and even then the majority of your posts seem negative and inflammatory.






WRONG AGAIN:

GameBoy and GameBoy Colour: 118.69 million, as of 31 March 2011.
Nintendo DS – 146.42 million, as of 31 March 2011
Game Boy Advance – 81.51 million, as of 31 March 2011
PlayStation Portable – 51.6 million, as of 2 June 2009

The 3DS has just sold it's first million in Japan.

I read earlier about the 3DS hitting the 1 mill mark, it's not doing as well as Nintendo expected which is interesting.

Aye, it's odd.....There just aren't that many games out for it yet really. I still think they rushed it out. I would have preferred to wait, but I love it so so much. The DS is still selling really well and will probably continue to do so, plus, I read something about the Japanese being afraid they will get headaches / be sick... I know that in the US and UK/EU there was so much "hands on" publicity but I have no idea about in Japan.

Massive push for summer though. Zelda, and Mario will push sales, as will the other big franchies (Final Fantasy - eventually, Kingdom Hearts and Pokemon to name a few).

I don't play on these games - but this thread is better than the telly tonight.

Like I've said before, I honestly can't even figure out what we're discussing here anymore. It's a shame that a thread about the E3 show has turned into this very tedious novel esque essay about the Iphone's success.

What I will say is, Mr R, I think you are severely and quite drastically underestimating just how many gamers there are in the world who are and who will carry on buying these portable gaming consoles. The 3DS is only at the start of it's lifecycle and it's going to get better from here. The sales are going to start booming once the killer games come out.

and as for this what you said..

"Opened it up to a massive mainstream audience that Nintendo haven’t even come close to touching by putting a portable gaming device into the pocket of God knows how many people the world over"

Yes you're right, 148 million people owning a DS is quite clearly a small number?!?!

and in regards to what you said about the 3DS and the PSV not being able to offer people something they can't get on their smartphones..

I just...I can't even comprehend the madness of that statement.

I'm walking away from this. I refuse to join in with this troll of a discussion anymore because I don't think you have a friggin clue what you're talking about Mr, but I know you have this incessant need to always be right so no doubt you will reply to this with more bullcrap.

I'll return to this thread when someone actually starts discussing the games and consoles that were on show at E3 this year.

Thanks bye







The massive earthquake in Japan would have put a massive dent in the sales for the 3DS *

and yes as Mikes said, not to mention the lack of first rate games which will soon change.

Wouldn't the point about combined sales be "dwarfs" rather than "dwarves" as it's not a plural in this case?

I fear that the WiiU might become a bit underwhelming, yes it's a capable machine, but apart from the few stellar titles for the Wii, everything else is partyware bullshit.

If the same developers follow through we're just going to be in the same boat, some great games but mostly shit games

I've also been pondering about how the controller can be used to display additional info, like in Zelda for example, it would be cool if it could display the map whilst you're busy exploring.

Apparently Ubisoft are considering having the screen as a permanent "eagle vision" mode in Assassin's Creed and/or a permanent view of the Animus data.

I have no idea wtf that means, never played Assassins Creed, not appealed to me. Ironically I have bought all the games as presents for my brother...

I'm intrigued about how it sense itself in 3D space and responds to the screen.

Will we be able to use it as a magnifying glass in a mystery game for instance??

God, Imagine using it as a notebook / PDA during Ace Attorney or something.

I'm imagining using it to hit my friends over the head with if they dare beat me at a game.

This is probably why my friends won't play with me

Didn't Nintendo just get hacked though?

Also Shenmue, does anyone actually care anymore?

it was just the website not the console network.

Did it say Eternal Darkness 2?

No point breaking up a nintendo online game, i've never been able to connect anyway

It hasn't been announced it's just a spoof.

I mean if there was Earthbound HD E3 would be even more in Nintendo's favour.




Really??

I've had so many awesome online games (most mario kart and smash bros, and more recently Street Fighter)

I have had nothing but trouble playing wii online. Really frustrated me and probably contributed to the Wii now living under the bed

Oh how cruel.

I never had any problems with getting Mario Kart online and it was an amazing experience.

Something up with your wireless connection Corius?

Not sure, xbox works fine, also have trouble with ps3 online.

It depends on the netcode alot with PS3. Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is terribly laggy and difficult to connect to, but Uncharted 2 is smooth as. Either that or you need to give your ISP a kicking



bleh, don't know if the embedding is working >.<

Hitman trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2_uFewVo-0

The best thing about E3 was seeing more of Skyrim. My God that game looks beautiful! So excited now!

Tomb Raider didn't look like Tomb Raider at all, but we'll see on that one. Uncharted 3 however, looked amazing.

PS Vita looks very interesting. I may end up getting one if it continues to impress.

I'm not sure about the Wii-U controller. It looks very bulky, and I'm not really a fan of gimmicky controllers for consoles. It looks good for what it does, but if they come up with an alternate controller (like the classic controller for the Wii) I'll be more interested.

WELL.. This beauty slipped right by me.

Open world Sci-Fi bounty hunting a bit Blade Runner??

YES PLS.

How on earth does that one follow on from the first one

Apparently the guy from the first one is in it somehow. Alas, I never played it.

Wasn't great anyways

I got bored and stopped playing it about 1/4 in..

I pretty much agree with this.
(Well apart from the Chicks, when will there finally be E3 Hunks? )


I alos liked Mr. Caffeine.

That video made me very glad that I never watched the Microsoft conference, those Kinect demonstrations are fucking awful.

"Fist bump"

I think I'll stick with the controller save I punch the screen

You don’t post in this forum 24/7 therefore I don’t care for your opinion

I’m afraid I have neither the time nor inclination to post a huge amount in a gaming forum. I post as and when something takes my interest I apologise if that doesn’t qualify me to form an opinion or disagree with you.

Oh and the fact the forum is buried at the bottom of the board doesn’t help.


That totals at just shy of 400 million.

Meanwhile in 2010 alone close to 300 million smart phones was sold worldwide and that number is expected to be closer to if not surpass 400 million for 2011. That’s one year of sales and doesn’t take into account the fact that as of June 2011 the iPad had sold around 25 million units and the iPod touch was at about 20 million units in May 2011. Nor does it factor in the sale of other tablets (which I can’t be bothered to look up) or touch like devices.

But no you’re right clearly portable gaming devices are the king of sales…


I don’t believe I’ve ever disputed that hardcore gamers will continue to be interested in portable gaming devices but I’d point out that the DS hasn’t sold 148 million units because it’s popular with hardcore gamers. Once again in an age where people are spending hundreds on smart phones, tablets and MP3 players that all offer gaming (and increasingly advanced gaming as they become more powerful) it’s going to be harder and harder for Nintendo and Sony to convince people to fork over another £200+ on a portable consoles that don’t offer the same level of functionality.


It is when compared to the near 300 million people who brought a smart phone in 2010 yes.


Maybe you should try paying attention to what people actually say then

...are they then really going to want to spend another £200+ on a portable gaming device that isn't really offering them anything new? And lets not pretend that we're not approaching a point where the more immersive stuff lands on smart phones etc. When that happens the DS, PSV etc. are dead in the water because they can't compete functionality wise.

Ultimately almost everyone else is going to ask why am I spending £200+ on this portable device when I've already spent that much or could spend that much on a smart phone/iPod/iPad/tablet that gives me more functionality and portable gaming as well. This problems only going to increase as smart phones become more powerful.

And yes when people continue to misrepresent what I've actually said I'll continue to respond.

Msiter R you are making the wild assumption that everyone who owns a smart phone downloads and plays games on their handset. Pretty fucking big assumption when trying to justify their use versus DEVICES SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR GAMING in a gaming forum. Just a thought.

Where's the facepalm icon..

I was gonna say that. I actually had a whole essay written down but before I clicked the post button I though: Where's the point? - and deleted it again.