Why do people keep going on about that? It's done.
She gave the baby up for adoption years ago and by now even told Pete about it, who also doesn't care.
There is nothing to be done with this storyline anymore unless one of the characters out of the blue develops paternal feelings which would be very unrealistic.
Hope that bitch is gone for good. (Peggy not the child)

Hey, hey, hey, Peggy is not a bitch! She behaves like the men at SCDP. That doesn't make her a bitch, it makes her smart.

I doubt she's gone for good. They'll find a way of incorporating her new job into the story so that she ends up back at the firm.

Overall, this season seemed like it was patchy at the start but the last few episodes have made me rethink the whole thing and I think it's been quite brilliant. The last two episodes have been standouts - I'm still pissed off that Matthew Weiner did that to Joan (part of the ongoing mistreatment of the women in Mad Men) but that was a truly brilliant episode and this week's was equally compelling.

Hard to know how they can top those for the finale.

I don't know what behaving like a ben means but I know that Peggy is very self centred, condescending/patronizing, jealous, bossy, egoistic, self overeating, often juvenile and overall not very nice unless it furthers her own goals.
Imo that makes her a bitch.

Like my mom would say if a man has those qualities he's called a leader or a good business man, if a woman does, she's a bitch.


Personally I thought the whole season was fantastic and enjoyed every episode and hated it when the hour came to an end.
Madmen is always excellent TV.

I meant men. It's a typo.

The behaviour you ascribe to Peggy is exactly how the men at SCDP are. And Boy1der is right, she gets called a bitch when a man would be praised for doing whatever it takes to get ahead.

No if a man has this quality he is called Don and it makes him a complete dickhead.
No disrespect to your mum but some woman constantly mistake the right for equality with the right to be just as shit as some men are. Which might be a fair point but being shit isn't really something worth fighting for imo.



Yes and the men at the agency are all bastards who I slag off every week so why should I stop at Betty? Because she is a woman? Now that would be sexist.

I hope she comes back as she's always been one of the core characters that make the show. I've not seen this weeks episode yet but it was clear that SCDP was heading into financial problems so my prediction is that the agency she went to buys them out and that's her route back in!



This will be a symptom of having had an 18 month break. The writers build a relationship with the characters much as the actors do and it takes time to get this back. It's almost like starting from fresh again.



You make this sound like it is a problem with the show but surely it is a problem (and to a certain extent still is) with the society they are trying to reflect?

Most tv characters act like selfish, bossy, egotistical twats Astron, it's what makes them three dimensional human people. Peggy is still a wonderful character, as are Joan and Don. I don't know how you'd quite handle watching Six Feet Under if you ever did, they're all proper selfish on there

Mister R, I will never complain about you talking about Breaking Bad too much.

I'm more referring to the way that Matthew Weiner treats his female characters. The things that happen to them are much harsher than their male contemporaries. I know that the show is highlighting the inequality of the time but it does seem to really pile the shit on the women while the men behave simiarly but most of the time nothing negative happens to them.




Well then call her an asshole. Don't call her an insult that is almost exclusively used to describe women.

One of the guys just killed himself, seems pretty harsh to me

Seriously? Semantics is the issue here?
Fine.
Peggy is an asshole and now neither of you can disagree with me.

Are we discussing Peggy or Betty here?


Yeah, her behaviour drives me mad most of the time, but still she's one of the main characters. The show wouldn't be the same without her in SCD(P)

Don't diss the Don

Well Don is alright in the way that I think he is supposed to be unlikeable and a dickhead.

Yeah, he isn't supposed to be someone we like. He is a fucking cunt. I do wish they would focus on other characters more though, rather than the same Don routine.

Don Draper is an awesome character and to me he's a big part of the show and why I watch.

What he said

To be honest I don't think any of the characters on Mad Men are particularly likeable. They're all pretty terrible people in their own ways. I kind of think the problem with Don is that he's basically still the exact same terrible person he was in episode one whilst everyone else is at the very least a slightly different terrible person. I'm not sure that's such a bad thing though.

I don't think Don is a bad character but nowhere near as interesting as some people think. There have been much better unlikeable protagonists, like Tony Soprano. A much better anti-hero imo.

Very few characters on the show are likeable and that doesn't matter if they are interesting. I want more Pete, Joan and Roger.

Lane was likeable

Roger definitely is, and Kenny

Roger stopped being likeable 2 episodes ago.

Kenny indeed is the nicest person on the show. In 5 seasons he hasn't done anything condemning.

Lane wasn't particularly likeable and was (like everyone else on the show) a pretty terrible individual. Roger has always been a complete dick as well. Even token nice guy Ken isn't particularly nice and is by far and away the least interesting character on the show.

lol Ken is always nice to everyone.

Besides like-ablitity is not a fact it's an opinion.
Roger for example has done bad stuff but his deep caring for Joan and his natural charm always redeemed him. He never came across as nasty.
Lane also was always more of a tragic character, he was pushed around by everyone and was a total doormat, you can't help but feel sorry for him.
At least in my opinion.

Wouln't miss Ken much if he was gone. Sometimes he can be so plain....

Roger's attitude on Joan and Jaguar was a downer

I dunno how you can't find Lane likeable Mr, he's just such a bumbling charming English gentleman

Excellent season finale, but depresing at the same time

Completely disagree. After two excellent episodes it was back to the so-so quality that has dominated the season.

Totally disagree, great season, not the best final episode though.

Don walking into black, with the Bond song on was brilliant, top notch ending while the episode wasn't the best altogether

Beth has to be the saddest character ever.

And Roger, oh Roger

Wowza, Roger has an amazing pair of buns!

I enjoyed it, I think we were just spoilt because the last two episodes were so great through its sheer use of major depressing drama, but this episode had lots of great smaller character moments which is what makes this show excellent.

Even the tiny scene between Don and Peggy in the cinema was adorable.

Urgh Peggy.

I didn't get the ending. So Megan dares to follow her dream so therefore Don can't be with her anymore?
It kinda makes sense, in the first couple of seasons Don used to be attracted to independent strong women but the one he married was the domestic wifey. He obviously can't handle a woman with her own mind. Come to think of it, he split with the headstrong doctor to be with a secretary, who he fell in love with when she was taking care of his kids. Megan developed far from that by now, apparently that is a deal breaker.
Pathetic really.

What the frigg was the stuff with Adam all about? That was so pointless.

Yes! and yes.

She stabbed her friend in the back asking Don for help to get the job in the ad. A comecial wouldn't be proper acting, according to his reaction. She wants to be independent and in the end she asked him for help. Whatever love, or respect, Don had for Megan was clearly gone. He literally walks away from her. Plus he gets home to find her drunk.

Oh please. A he didn't know about the friend (even if, that's what he does in his job all the time) and B Megan has a valid point, a commercial gives her exposure and opens doors. There was nothing wrong about it.

Don is the last person on earth who can bang on about integrity or sit on a high horse. They can't just completely erase his past and make him all goodie goodie now. They already tried that with the Joan thing and that was weird and out of character too.

Astron, you whinge about things FAR too much.

I know, I can't help having a brain and not just sit there like a Zombie.
Sorry I'll try harder next time.

Yes, you're so much more intelligent than everybody else in the world who don't constantly criticise every single tv show or movie they watch

...yes pretty much.

*ruffles your hair cutely *

DO NOT TOUCH MY HAIR! LIKE NEVER!!!

Get a room the pair of you!

Its not about Don being 'goody-goody'. The whole story of Don and Megan across the season has been that the two of them have grown apart as she's sought her independence and an acting career. The reason Don originally refuses to help her with that career is because he knows that when she gets what she wants then she is gone. The whole point of it is supposed to be self-sacrifice on his part. Its not about Don leaving her its about her leaving him.

Well if that's the case than they did a piss poor job translating that.

I actually had the feeling they were growing stronger but with Don excepting that Megan has a mind of her own and her world doesn't revolve around him.
Well guess I overestimated Don.

They didn't do a poor job of translating that at all, what Mister summarised is a pretty obvious outlook on their main plot.

Use your brain zombie

Well I enjoyed the last ep, and the series.

I was glad to see that Sky Atlantic are repeating series one fom next week - looking forward to it already!

I really don't think they did.

What I find more disappointing is that its such a dull predictable story to tell that doesn't really accomplish anything. In fact generally that's been a problem with the season as a whole. Its still well written, acted and shot but actually there's not a whole lot happening. I suppose that's why episodes 11 and 12 worked so well because they were one of the few times this season when interesting and meaningful things have happened.

Again when you try and hold Mad Men up to some of the other quality drama that's been made over the past year and it doesn't really hold its own any more. And it certainly isn't towering over the competition these days.

Mad Men to me has always been about the episodes where "not a lot is happening"

It's the character interactions, subtle dialogue, unspoken emotions etc that makes this show work so finely.

Anywho, I'm looking forward to re watching it all from the start too.

Its not just about big story shifts though.

The little character interactions etc. are all well and good but when none of it means anything in the bigger picture then its just pointless. Stuff like that has worked in previous seasons because they've added to the bigger picture. This year that hasn't really been the case. The show has just sort of ticked over with no real direction or purpose. And some of the storylining has been remarkably dull and by the numbers.

Plus for a show renowned for its character work its remarkable how indistinguishable and blurred every character on the show has started to become. They're all just becoming slight variations on each other. Partly because their stories have all started to resemble one another.

We feel the same way too. And Mr.R has dished shows that turned into big hits like American Horror Story, Once Upon a Time and if I remember correctly Game of Thrown' s so I take his critiques with a grain of salt.

I for once totally agree with Mr. R.
The show is still very good but it isn't what it used to be anymore.
It lacks momentum and it got a bit samey.
Maybe that's to be expected after 5 season dunno.
I still enjoy it though.