US cinema shooting Options

[ladsnet]

Is it me?


JUST. BAN. GUNS.

[AdrienAsche]

Is it me?


JUST. BAN. GUNS.

YOU'RE INFRINGING ON OUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY!



I'm sure some Democrat will call for that measure, then Fox News will have a hissy-fit and absolutely nothing will be done.

[CBEntr]

FYI: "NRA" = National Rifle Association

[PadSpin]

I don't really see how banning guns would make any difference?

You can't uninvent them and so they long as they exist people will get hold of them

[CherryBoomBoom]

But the harder it is to get hold of one, the less likely it is that things like this happen.

[CBEntr]

I don't really see how banning guns would make any difference?

You can't uninvent them and so they long as they exist people will get hold of them

Padspin....It's not banning them completely...it's the rapidfire assault weapons, armour piercing bullets, military grade weaponry that need to be banned. I think if you polled people, most would not have a problem with someone owning a pistol for self-defense and/or a hunting rifle.

What most of the NRA people want & use are weapons specifically used to kill other people. If that man only had a pistol and a hunting rifle, I assure you that their would NOT be 12 dead right now.

The NRA and Republican Party holler 2nd Amendment rights, to let the people own these weapons. The Democrats shy away from it altogether.

Right now there is a debate about 'Fast & Furious' regarding selling weapons to drug cartel, yet they can buy the same weapons legally in the U.S.. You can't have it both ways.

James Holmes weapons were obtained, according to News reports, legally!

[Parsifal]

JUST. BAN. GUNS.

There is too much money ($$$) opposing that and too many politicians willing to take that money.

The NRA and Republican Party holler 2nd Amendment rights, to let the people own these weapons. The Democrats shy away from it altogether.

It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment really. Rather it is about power.
If you know how to read the Second Amendment in the context of when it was written in 1789 then you'll understand that they were talking about a "well-regulated militia" which has evolved into the National Guard of today. The Supreme Court isn't known for being objective. Not recently. Rather, it's highly polarized like the country it serves. $$$

[jumbler]

One thing that is amazing, is that these shootings never seem to affect 'people in power' (Governors/Congressmen/Senators) - Gabrielle Giffords aside. Even in her case, I guess she wasn't high-ranking enough for parties to take the issue forward.

So it's basically only ordinary guys that get shot. Who probably can't afford to spend $100s on those sort of assault weapons anyway. Much less own (a single) one, I doubt.

It's like an inverse privilege, keeping poor people in their place...

[Kev]

Even when Reagan was shot Republicans were against any type of gun control.

[Parsifal]

Both Romney and Obama are ducking the issue (it's treacherous territory - the NRA has everybody by the balls).

BOW, N.H. — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney says Friday is a time to grieve and remember the lives lost in the Colorado shootings.

He told supporters at a previously scheduled campaign stop in New Hampshire that justice will come another day for the person responsible. He called for Americans to focus on loving each other and those affected by what he said were "a few moments of evil" near Denver.

Romney is suspending political activity for the day. He has taken down campaign ads running in Colorado, postponed several media interviews and canceled a campaign trip his wife, Ann, was scheduled to make to Michigan.

Speaking in Florida earlier Friday, President Barack Obama called for reflection and said there would be other days for politics.

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[ladsnet]

I don't really see how banning guns would make any difference?

You can't uninvent them and so they long as they exist people will get hold of them

Padspin....It's not banning them completely...it's the rapidfire assault weapons, armour piercing bullets, military grade weaponry that need to be banned. I think if you polled people, most would not have a problem with someone owning a pistol for self-defense and/or a hunting rifle.

Nah. Ban em completely.

Here (civilised world) I believe that the only gun you can legally own is a shotgun if you can prove you're a farmer or gamekeeper type person. All other guns are illegal.

You do not need a gun to defend your home (unless your country is so fucked up that you actually DO) (probably because you gave everybody cheap and legal GUNS)

Yes.. criminals here can get hold of guns if they really want to, like criminals can get hold of anything. But thats a big difference from me being able to walk into ASDA and buy a gun then walk into the cinema across the road and shoot a load of people.. just cos I'm having a bad day.


I don't hate America. I love it lots actually. And Americans.
But when it comes to guns and justice... you're fucking mental.

[phallus]

We have pretty draconian gun laws here but we still have shootings.

Yet I lived in Israel which is bristling with weapons and this sort of thing has never happened.

Personally, I think you either need to sort out the society you live in or just deal with the fact that there'll be a few homicidal rampages every now and then.

[ladsnet]

My mistake.
It's all the gays fault.
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/us-pund...shootings210712

[Parsifal]

From a Gallup poll conducted October 6-9, 2011

"Do you have a gun in your home?"
Yes: 45%

"In terms of gun laws in the United States, which of the following would you prefer to see happen:"
"enforce the current gun laws more strictly and NOT pass new gun laws"
"pass new gun laws in addition to enforcing the current laws more strictly?" 35%

"In general do you feel that the laws governing the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"
More strict: 43%
Less strict/kept as now: 55%

"Are you for or against a law which would make it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles?"
For: 43%
Against: 53%

So you see, we're still living the Wild West. Nothing is going to change any time soon.

As Howard Steven Friedman, a statistician and health economist for the United Nations, wrote for The Huffington Post in April:

“America’s homicide rates, incarceration rates and gun ownership rates are all much higher than other wealthy countries. While the data associated with crime is imperfect, these facts all point to the idea that America is more violent than many other wealthy countries.”

Article

Also from the article:

"But this will be an uphill battle because the National Rifle Association has been extremely effective at promoting its agenda and sowing fears that gun rights are in jeopardy even when they are not. Much of that campaign has been aimed at painting President Obama as an enemy of the Second Amendment, and it has been exceedingly successful."

With 45% of Americans owning guns now you know why so many middle class people are voting Republican even though the Republicans almost exclusively represent the plutocrats.

Romney passed a ban on assault weapons back when he was governor and now he says he’s against it. Of course, he’s done that on almost everything. Obama, when he was elected, said I want to reinstate the ban on assault weapons and he’s never done it.

Congress has, in recent years, refused to consider laws that would ban the sale of assault weapons capable of firing 100 bullets without reloading, and declined to allow the attorney general to restrict people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing weapons.

Politicians are way too scared to do anything about this.

And so it goes.

The United States Congress is pretty much controlled by:
National Rifle Association (NRA)
The banking lobby
Grover Norquist (Americans for Tax Reform) - He controls the Republican side.

[manlove]

it's another devastating event that will not have the full and proper outcome it should (full and transparent review of gun laws).

America kind of scares me sometimes - I see Democrats and (ew) Republicans battling it out for the big chair, but the big chair is at the behest of / unable to stand up to groups including National Rifle Association, 'One Million Moms' and the 'Church of Scientology'.

[berenger79]

How have the American media been reporting the tragedy? Has it aroused as much outrage and horror as Janet Jackson's accidentally exposed breast did on Superbowl? Or does it rank somewhere below that shocking event?

It seems the American right think a bunch of dead schoolchildren is a small price to pay for the right to bear arms. It keeps happening, yet guns seem to be as easy to buy there as a pint of milk is here. The cinema shooting won't change anything.

This post has been edited by berenger79: Jul 21 2012, 17:57

[stevo]

We have pretty draconian gun laws here but we still have shootings.

Yet I lived in Israel which is bristling with weapons and this sort of thing has never happened.

You're not being serious, surely!

Personally, I think you either need to sort out the society you live in or just deal with the fact that there'll be a few homicidal rampages every now and then.

What we don't have is the ability to buy 6,000 rounds of ammunition legally over the internet, as this person is alleged to have done. Where does the law intervene? Is it legal to buy mortars and grenades as a private citizen in the US? What about bombs and bomb-making equipment?

Whilst there is no doubt that these things will happen regardless, there is equally a correlation between ease of access and frequency of occurrence. The USA remains the world leader in massacres of private individuals by private individuals.

This post has been edited by stevo: Jul 21 2012, 17:35

[stretchmonkey]

It's also worth pointing out that time and again, leading psychologists say that the cycle of gun massacres is perpetuated by the media turning the gun men into "celebrities" over night, with every aspect of their lives and loony ideas minutely dissected for weeks after any attack. And so the next sad, deluded loner with a grudge against society is primed up for his own stab at immortality. The media is rewarding these people.

[Parsifal]

How have the American media been reporting the tragedy? Has it aroused as much outrage and horror as Janet Jackson's accidentally exposed breast did on Superbowl? Or does it rank somewhere below that shocking event?

We have a day or two of media flurry. Then it will pass just like all the others in the past. Politicians are afraid to talk about it too much. The NRA might be listening.

[YORKSHIRE GUY]

Guns and bullets shouldn't be available to everyone imo.

Also I'm probably alone in this thought, but I think there's too much sensationalised violence in a lot of movies.