Pasty Madness Options

[sanitynotincluded]

Is it just me, or does anyone else object to being treated as a moron by the BBC?

I have no objection to considering the extension of VAT to hot pasties, sausage rolls et c. on its merits, indeed I am more than a little sympathetic to the criticism, but the BBC are trotting out this ridiculous notion ( except for Engelbert's pile of shit you hear little else on radio two) that it is somehow too difficult for shops to decide whether they have sold a hot or a cold devonian pasty.

We managed to establish that Jaffa Cakes are non vatable without the world coming to an end, so why should it be any harder for a shop to determine whether it has heated said iitem since it was baked or taken measures to keep it hot if baked on site. Do the beeb think that we're stupid enough to fall for it? (are we indeed stupid enough to fall for it?) or are they just desperate?

[sanitynotincluded]

It seems the pig ignorant tosspots at the New York Times are spouting about it.

(Note that it is acceptable for our gutter press to get in a tizzy, but the american gutter press should keep their noses out.)

They ramble on and on about Osborne and Cameron being posh, as if that is relevant, and then accuse the British of being class-obsessed. Oh, and they seem to thing that pasty rhymes with nasty.

[duxk]

It seems the pig ignorant tosspots at the New York Times are spouting about it.

(Note that it is acceptable for our gutter press to get in a tizzy, but the american gutter press should keep their noses out.)

They ramble on and on about Osborne and Cameron being posh, as if that is relevant, and then accuse the British of being class-obsessed. Oh, and they seem to thing that pasty rhymes with nasty.

Pasty does rhyme with nasty, if one is not from the south

Given that the price of a properly constituted meal sized Pasty now is around £3.20, post VAT this rises to £3.85, hence the fuss.

Suggestions seem to be being made locally that there is movement on this issue and that the proposals are likely to be somewhat different that those outlined in the Budget, which were put out 'for consultation' only with a target of October 2012 enactment. Expect a delay in implementation to April 2013 and significant changes in the scope.

It's an excellent piece of politics- it's taken the attention off the granny tax and the extra £10 billion in welfare cuts, it will be dropped or watered down soon- job done. Never under-estimate the cunning of Gideon, he knows what he's doing.

[sanitynotincluded]

Pasty does rhyme with nasty, if one is not from the south

It doesn't if one is civilised.

Perhaps they'd ramble on less ...

I think you missed the point. They label Britain as class obsessed, but it is only them and the moron fringe of the labour party who care about it.

[stevo]

I think you missed the point. They label Britain as class obsessed, but it is only them and the moron fringe of the labour party who care about it.

...And funnily enough those who care about it least of all are people for whom privilege puts it off their radar. Enter Dave and Gideon.

[sanitynotincluded]

I think you missed the point. They label Britain as class obsessed, but it is only them and the moron fringe of the labour party who care about it.

...And funnily enough those who care about it least of all are people for whom privilege puts it off their radar. Enter Dave and Gideon.

Not really, it's only the moron fringe and their fellow travellers who get their tits in a twist about having a posh prime minister, and then only if they don't like the individual's party

[Ollie2UK]

Not really, it's only the moron fringe and their fellow travellers who get their tits in a twist about having a posh prime minister, and then only if they don't like the individual's party

Funnily enough, it's usually the Tory boys who most loudly deny that the class structure still exists.

[Parsifal]

Not really, it's only the moron fringe and their fellow travellers who get their tits in a twist about having a posh prime minister, and then only if they don't like the individual's party

Funnily enough, it's usually the Tory boys who most loudly deny that the class structure still exists.

Does it? (I keep hearing mixed comments on the subject.)

[Ollie2UK]

Does it? (I keep hearing mixed comments on the subject.)

Not to the extent that you read about in Jane Austen novels, but yeah of course it does. It's not so much about occupation and income nowadays (although it can be), it's more a cultural and sociological thing.

Check out how many people use the words chav or pikey on this forum alone. We're still mired in stereotypes that relate directly to perceptions of class, however much some people would like to pretend we're not.

[stulancs]

Not to the extent that you read about in Jane Austen novels, but yeah of course it does. It's not so much about occupation and income nowadays (although it can be), it's more a cultural and sociological thing.

Check out how many people use the words chav or pikey on this forum alone. We're still mired in stereotypes that relate directly to perceptions of class, however much some people would like to pretend we're not.

Calling someone a chav is based on their behaviour, not their social class, otherwise all working class people would be chavs, and they're not.

[Ollie2UK]

Calling someone a chav is based on their behaviour, not their social class, otherwise all working class people would be chavs, and they're not.

Chav is generally directed at someone who exhibits a certain kind of behaviour associated with - let's not pretend otherwise - council estate dwellers. You won't see many toffs being labelled as chavs, even if they behave in exactly the same way.

To say that the term chav isn't associated with class simply because it isn't a blanket term used to describe all members of a particular class is ridiculous.

[sanitynotincluded]

Calling someone a chav is based on their behaviour, not their social class, otherwise all working class people would be chavs, and they're not.

Chav is generally directed at someone who exhibits a certain kind of behaviour associated with - let's not pretend otherwise - council estate dwellers. You won't see many toffs being labelled as chavs, even if they behave in exactly the same way.

To say that the term chav isn't associated with class simply because it isn't a blanket term used to describe all members of a particular class is ridiculous.

As he said however it is a behaviour based label. Class is a pathetic smokescreen used to try and excuse bad behaviour. Oh, guess what, a non tory disputing the continued relevance of class in modern society. I guess that one doesn't run either.

[Ollie2UK]

As he said however it is a behaviour based label. Class is a pathetic smokescreen used to try and excuse bad behaviour.

I'm not attempting to excuse bad behaviour at all. My point is that a working class/council estate dweller is labelled a chav if they behave in a certain way. An upper class person, behaving in exactly the same way, isn't.

Take Dave Gilmour's son, who famously got pissed, drugged up, and dangled off the Cenotaph. If he came from a working class background, he'd be labelled a chav. Instead, the papers were falling over each other to call him a toff and an oik (which is just as class-orientated as if they had called him a chav incidentally).

Oh, guess what, a non tory disputing the continued relevance of class in modern society. I guess that one doesn't run either.

Well, you could try reading what I wrote instead of what you'd have liked me to write, but then that's never been your style.

Funnily enough, it's usually the Tory boys who most loudly deny that the class structure still exists.