Mass Effect 3 - your story, spoiler zone Options

[Jonnycondom]

No sorry Tiuri, it's some "arty" game that has been getting critical praise left right and centre. Playing it is supposed to provide some unique beautiful experience.

Unfortunately it's only available as a download on the Playstation

[triryche3]

I finished this a couple of days ago. I'm still not sure how I feel about the ending. But that being said I found this while looking up the ending. I borrowed 3 from a friend & he took it back just after I finished so I couldn't try the other endings. Anyway, I choose to believe this is the case, it's called the Indoctrination Theory. Watch it & give your take on it. It truly makes sense to me, whether or not it's what is really happening I don't know, I guess Bioware will have to tell us. I'm not sure how to embed videos, so I'll just put the link.



* embedded it for you *

This post has been edited by Tiuri: Apr 4 2012, 17:50

[Uninvited]

The IT has been floating around for a while now and while I think the theory has been really well thought out using the scraps in game (the video was also produced really well), this is just some really creative people trying to make sense of the terrible ending Bioware have inflicted upon its fan base. Otherwise surely they would have come clean before now rather than let this situation snowball like they have:

EA's stock price has plummeted and retailers everywhere have dropped its price. Some retailers (Amazon, Play) were offering full refunds due to the product being 'not as advertised'.

Also, if Bioware had planned this all the long, then they have intentionally left us with an incomplete ending - we're Indoctrinated (or not) - now what?

People have speculated that Bioware ran out of time and that's why the ending is so rushed. I also can't believe that, personally. They devoted spare resource (if you believe their lies about not cutting out story content to sell as DLC..) to creating the Prothean DLC shortly before the production deadline because they finished early, instead of devoting more to finishing the main game? Not likely.

Others have speculated that because of the script leak last December, Bioware went back and scrapped the ending and rewrote it. This I find to be the most tragic rumour of all - if this is the case, then they released this terrible ending because a handful of people may have spoiled the story for themselves. As someone who avoided all spoilers, I can't believe that they would have ruined their story pandering to the idiots who spoiled their own experience.

PAX is on over the Easter weekend so we should hopefully hear Bioware's there.. Hopefully they will redeem themselves in the eyes of their fanbase but I reckon EA will be getting them to push more overly-expensive DLC.

[Kelly-Ann-xxx]

I'm going to go with that videos theory as well, it makes a lot of sense, it just makes me question even more why Bioware and co just didn't make it make sense in the first place.
I understand that they wanted to leave the ending a little open to interpretation but i think people having to glue together the plot holes with whats really just speculation is just stupid.

I remember when i first had to choose one of those three options i had a feeling that there was some tricky going on, with the reapers making you think Control was the Paragon and Destory was the renegade.
With that videos explanation i now feel a little better with my choice.

Wasn't the game supposed to be released the end of 2011 but was moved to march? Maybe they did change the ending?

This post has been edited by Kelly-Ann-xxx: Apr 4 2012, 19:06

[Uninvited]

That's one of the biggest issues with this ending though - if this is the intended ending, and Bioware wanted to leave it open to interpretation, then that means we didn't see the end of the war. Shepard is buried under some rubble, indoctrinated or otherwise, and THAT'S where our story ends?

Nah, I just don't buy it.

[triryche3]

That's one of the biggest issues with this ending though - if this is the intended ending, and Bioware wanted to leave it open to interpretation, then that means we didn't see the end of the war. Shepard is buried under some rubble, indoctrinated or otherwise, and THAT'S where our story ends?

Nah, I just don't buy it.

I don't know. (BTW, you had some good observations in your last post ) They've said there's going to be more games, it could be a new trilogy about a new person but continue the war & it's aftermath. Like Star Wars 1-3 were Anikin & 4-6 were Puke I mean Luke. Shepard could still be a main character since s/he lived.

Besides if you do this ending, & the video is true, you destroy the Reapers so you wouldn't be indoctrinated anymore.

In other words give me my little hope

Just Kidding

[Uninvited]

Ha! Yes yes, Shepard still living = a good thing in my book. I just don't want it to be a case of 'you've finished the game but the entire ending is a lie and the battle is raging on without you, the player'.

Announcement coming tomorrow! It could just be the expected 'Retake Omega' and 'new multiplayer skins' DLC though..

[Uninvited]

I'm kinda done with ME3 now..

ME3 Extended Ending Announced for Summer

This post has been edited by Uninvited: Apr 5 2012, 20:58

[Jonnycondom]

I just can't imagine many people giving a toss anymore by the time summer comes along. People will have accepted the ending and moved on, including Mikes, who by the looks of things won't even have the game finished until Summer!

[dixie]

I might end up done with it by then!

[Tiuri]

The only good thing about that is that it's free. If it doesn't change the current ending, I can't imagine the fanbase being satisfied.

I expect I won't be either.

[Kelly-Ann-xxx]

I'll just watch it when someone posts it on youtube.
I sold the game shortly after completing it. As much as i loved the multi player, i didn't play it that much and i wasn't going to play the main story again.
I figured i might as well sell it before the base price dropped dramatically.

[ic1male]

Oh well. I thought the whole thing was a bit pathetic really. There were some good moments like exploring the lost city on Tuchanka and reaching the Citadel conduit at the end. But overall it just pales into insignificance compared to the greatness of ME2.

It was nice to see all the characters again but it seemed ridiculous that the Reapers managed to control the geth again and control the Rachni queen.

As for the ending, I sort of just wandered up a ramp, having no clue as to what the option was at the end and got stuck unable to move. So I just had to shoot a power conduit and it turned out that was the destroy Reaper ending which I didn't want. I wanted to do synthesis.

Thankfully, I'm having a blast with the multiplayer or else this game would totally suck. Laughed my head off during the Shepard-Kaidan sex scene though. It looked like they had enormous pecs/bodies and their little heads had been stuck on in the wrong proportion. Nice six pack on Shepard though.

Oh, and I should add my final score going into the big battle was 9400 or something with galactic readiness of 100%. What's that all about? What happens if you proceeded with just the minimum?

EDIT: Actually, I'll revise my "game would totally suck" comment. The sucky parts are the go-fetch quests from the Citadel. If one were to play just the priority missions, it's actually at least as good as Mass Effect 1.

This post has been edited by ic1male: Apr 7 2012, 17:03

[White Phoenix]

Some thoughts, not terribly coherently presented....

The Priority missions did utilise my decisions from the previous two games; and I was happy to be able to bring a lot of what I had set up to a conclusion (particularly allowing the Geth to become individuals and share Rannoch with the Quarians, and curing the genophage, even if it did mean the death of my favourite character... he remained the very model of a scientist Salarian to the end...)

I missed the ME2 characters, but at least I was able to follow up on them in side-quests.

Those endings.... I don't vehemently hate them the way a lot of people do; but I do question the decision to make such depersonalised endings to conclude a series that has revolved around the gamer's choices having some sort of impact on the story being told. To make it to the heart of the Citadel only to be told, Deus Ex: Human Revolution style, to pick one of three endings that don't reflect my Shepard and the many decisions I've made was quite disappointing. AS is the resulting lack of clarity on the fate of my shipmates, and the races they come from. I know I can infer certain things based on the state of those races before Priority: Earth, but some follow up would've been nice. Do the Quarians and Geth manage to live on the same planet in peace? Does Thessia recover? Do Wrex and Bakara manage to take Krogan society in a new direction? Hopefully it's this sort of "clarity" that Bioware intend to introduce with the Extended Cut DLC.

For what it's worth, I chose Synthesis, as it seemed to reflect my Shepard best.

They didn't do a very good job of making the cycle of Synthetic vs Organic life thing seem as important as it should have. Javik provides a little bit of exposition on the geth-equivalent species of his era, but that's obviously not good enough given that he's not necessarily in every player's game. We already knew that the Reapers come and go in cycles, but I guess what I'm saying is that this new angle of the Reaper-cycles happening because synthetic life will arise and destroy their creators seemed somewhat stapled on, and could've done with being developed and explained more clearly. AS it is, it just seems like someone watch the last season of Battlestar Galactica and got carried away.

[Uninvited]

Some thoughts, not terribly coherently presented....

The Priority missions did utilise my decisions from the previous two games; and I was happy to be able to bring a lot of what I had set up to a conclusion (particularly allowing the Geth to become individuals and share Rannoch with the Quarians, and curing the genophage, even if it did mean the death of my favourite character... he remained the very model of a scientist Salarian to the end...)

I missed the ME2 characters, but at least I was able to follow up on them in side-quests.

Those endings.... I don't vehemently hate them the way a lot of people do; but I do question the decision to make such depersonalised endings to conclude a series that has revolved around the gamer's choices having some sort of impact on the story being told. To make it to the heart of the Citadel only to be told, Deus Ex: Human Revolution style, to pick one of three endings that don't reflect my Shepard and the many decisions I've made was quite disappointing. AS is the resulting lack of clarity on the fate of my shipmates, and the races they come from. I know I can infer certain things based on the state of those races before Priority: Earth, but some follow up would've been nice. Do the Quarians and Geth manage to live on the same planet in peace? Does Thessia recover? Do Wrex and Bakara manage to take Krogan society in a new direction? Hopefully it's this sort of "clarity" that Bioware intend to introduce with the Extended Cut DLC.

I was stunned at how much Mordin's death tugged at my heartstrings. I was also stunned how they pulled a Human Revolution style ending when that was so terribly received.

[ChrisHelms]

I was never that into Mordin in ME2, apart from his Incinerate ability, but his death really did gut me. Moreso than I thought it would.

I've read some stuff that there is a writing team who approved things as a group in the ME games, but the ending was written by one man who did not allow others to see what he'd come up with - Not sure whether it was on these forums or another, but it was a member of the team who'd made a reply to the ending and was quickly deleted.

I'm on my second play through and am hoping this DLC comes out before I get through it again. I basically went back to play the 2nd yet again to fall in love with the series again, not wanting to end it with such a sour note.

For me, I hate that you don't get to use your ME2 squad properly, as I was so connected with them. I don't get the point in James over characters who you put time into in the 2nd like Miranda, Jack, Thane, Samara etc...

I LOVE the ending to the Grunt mission though. Such a badass

[Kelly-Ann-xxx]

Yeah i am a little disappointment with James. The only story he had was telling Shepperd he wanted to join the N7 and to be honest i wasn't that bothered, he could have been any old solider.He should have had some side quest, or at least let him be a love interest.
Miranda was a bigger character in my game than he was.

Maybe he'll be included more in the DLC?

I also wanted the racni queen to be a love interest.

One small thing i'll add that i did like which i don't thinks been mentioned is seeing your team interact with each other on the Normandy. I liked how they would all moved around to different areas instead of staying in the same place like in the past.
I also liked the part when you speak to drunk Tali.

Oh and Thanes death>Mordins death.

This post has been edited by Kelly-Ann-xxx: Apr 12 2012, 02:08

[ic1male]

What's the mission where you hijack an atlas? I seem to have missed the achievement for it.

[ChrisHelms]

It's the Jack mission where you rescue the students.

[ic1male]

It's the Jack mission where you rescue the students.

I thought it was. I did that and drove the atlas but I never got it. Bizarre. I definitely didn't get the Evacuate a Scientific Facility one, which I presume is the Jacob mission. I never did that one. Shame the new gay Shepard didn't get to bone Jacob. I've wanted to since ME2.