Andrew Garfield in "The Amazing Spider-Man", First trailer released Options

[Corius]

Derivation on a common theme is pretty popular in all industries though.

I wasn't overly fussed at the trailer. It will probably do well regardless.

[Mister R]

Yes because nobody did dark and gritty before Nolan's Batman he literally invented an entire subgenre with his mindblowinly original direction of that film.

This post has been edited by Mister R: Jul 20 2011, 21:44

[Corius]

That was kinda the point of my post.

Also bottom line is, the film is out to make money, if the studios think that using a proven style of angst and grit will get them it, they will go for it, regardless of the fans feelings.

[daikaioshin]

Who's the villain in this do we know?

The Lizard I think.

Need think no longer, It was confirmed a while back.


Sorry Astron, i disagreed with a few of your earlier statements; agree to disagree?

[Jonnycondom]

Yes because nobody did dark and gritty before Nolan's Batman he literally invented an entire subgenre with his mindblowinly original direction of that film.

alright then, who?
Name me one other superhero film that did the dark and gritty angle before Nolan did and was just as successful as Batman and was a reboot or a remake or a refuckingwhatever of an already established set of superhero films?

The new Spiderman film is desperately trying to recreate its success it's as obvious as pie in the face. The film is out to make money as Corius said.

This post has been edited by Jonnycondom: Jul 20 2011, 21:51

[AdrienAsche]

I'm tired of you disregarding every agrument with that sentence.
You must be the most tired person in the world by now.

I didn't disregard the argument.

Who's the villain in this do we know?

The Lizard I think.

My criticism wasn't lazy

Yeah it was. I agree they're trying to rip-off Twilight because his hair is a little bit similar is lazy.

I actually never used the words "rip off." I did use the word "blatant," which may have been a stretch. Over all, I was agreeing with Astron that they're trying to cash in (not rip off--there's a difference) on the popularity of Twilight and Batman by styling his hair in an Edwardly fashion, and using music that is very Zimmer-Batman. At least two people agree with me, which doesn't make me right, but it does make my view at least somewhat plausible. You disagree? That's cool, but it's evident that neither one of us are going to convince the other of anything. Sorry Astron, but you've got dai to help you out, too, and it appears that plenty of other people aren't clamoring to Mister R's aid any time soon.

[Nosferatu]

I actually never used the words "rip off." I did use the word "blatant," which may have been a stretch. Over all, I was agreeing with Astron that they're trying to cash in (not rip off--there's a difference) on the popularity of Twilight and Batman by styling his hair in an Edwardly fashion, and using music that is very Zimmer-Batman. At least two people agree with me, which doesn't make me right, but it does make my view at least somewhat plausible. You disagree? That's cool, but it's evident that neither one of us are going to convince the other of anything. Sorry Astron, but you've got dai to help you out, too, and it appears that plenty of other people aren't clamoring to Mister R's aid any time soon.

I respect your opinion and don't think negatively of you for holding it but as I said in a previous comment I really can't see where you're coming from on the Twilight angle. I just can't see any comparison at all on that one (of course I accept there may be comparisons when we see the final film) but in terms of Andrew's appearance, and particularly his hairstyle, it looks very much like the way it has usually looked throughout his career.

[Astron]

Sorry Astron, i disagreed with a few of your earlier statements; agree to disagree?

Ah that's fine fine Daikai.
There isn't anyhting I could do to you you wouldn't experience once you burn in hell anyway.

@Nosferatu
As I said before the whole dark teenage thing and the heavily focusing on the love story (which are the two main themes in the trailer) is where Twilight comes in.

[Nosferatu]

@Nosferatu
As I said before the whole dark teenage thing and the heavily focusing on the love story (which are the two main themes in the trailer) is where Twilight comes in.

Hmm, oh right I see. Well personally I'd say its too early to tell if there's a heavy focus on the lovestory, and even if there is that doesn't exactly seem out of keeping with many other superhero franchises. As for the teeanger angle I suppose I just don't look at Garfield and see a teenager, in fact isn't he actually slightly older than Maguire was when he first played the role?

[Marvel]

it seems as though barely anyone in the film industry has an individual sense of direction or vision anymore when it comes to making a film.

It's the recession, it's got studios nervous and they're less willing to take on new or "risky" projects and would prefer to make films they know are more likely to be popular. Originality has to take a back seat to guaranteed financial success unfortunately.

[Corius]

it seems as though barely anyone in the film industry has an individual sense of direction or vision anymore when it comes to making a film.

It's the recession, it's got studios nervous and they're less willing to take on new or "risky" projects and would prefer to make films they know are more likely to be popular. Originality has to take a back seat to guaranteed financial success unfortunately.

I agree with this as I previously mentioned, until the economy becomes more stable, we're not going to see a great deal of innovation in the movies, we will obviously see some, but whilst a common theme is popular in most pop culture, it will continue to be exploited for the cash until it outlives it welcome.

Don't worry I'm sure the next generation will be complaining when spiderman gets rebooted for the 404th time down the line..

[Jonnycondom]

Batman will be getting rebooted by that time, of course by then it will be so dark and gritty it will just be 90 minutes of Batman being homeless and lying on the floor in an alley covered in booze, whilst in 3d, and also whilst throwing in the odd song to cash in on Glee's success.

oh, and a vampire too!

This post has been edited by Jonnycondom: Jul 20 2011, 22:12

[Corius]

No, it will be so gritty it will be 120 minutes of a black screen.

On the subject of Batman reboot, I really don't like the new ones too much, they're okay but everyone seems to group masturbate over them, especially the one with the joker in (cant even think of what its called atm and am not googling)

I didn't see the latest one until like late last year and was so underwhelmed. Also Christian Bale... I hate him so much, he seems to think shouting and being a douche bag is acting.

This post has been edited by Corius: Jul 20 2011, 22:17

[Scots Lurker]

it seems as though barely anyone in the film industry has an individual sense of direction or vision anymore when it comes to making a film.

It's the recession, it's got studios nervous and they're less willing to take on new or "risky" projects and would prefer to make films they know are more likely to be popular. Originality has to take a back seat to guaranteed financial success unfortunately.

I was going to post more or less exactly this.

At the end of the day, the people who make these films are businessmen. They are in it to make money. If times are tough and there's a proven format and/or genre that can spin lots of money, they'd be fools not to take advantage of it.

[Mister R]

That was kinda the point of my post.

Also bottom line is, the film is out to make money, if the studios think that using a proven style of angst and grit will get them it, they will go for it, regardless of the fans feelings.

I hit reply before you'd posted. You ruined the flow of my sarcastic response damn it!

alright then, who?
Name me one other superhero film that did the dark and gritty angle before Nolan did and was just as successful as Batman and was a reboot or a remake or a refuckingwhatever of an already established set of superhero films?

The James Bond franchise was reinvented as darker and grittier in the 80’s with the Dalton movies something that continued to some extent with Brosnan’s Golden Eye and those who suffered through Inception should be able to attest to the fact that Nolan isn’t exactly unfamiliar with the Bond franchise. However my point wasn’t specifically related to rebooting a franchise, superhero or otherwise, but more aimed at this ridiculous notion that any film that has the faint appearance of being ‘dark and gritty’ is following in the footsteps of Nolan’s Batman because obviously Nolan is so mind-blowingly original he created this dark and gritty action movie subgenre from nowhere.

In truth Nolan wasn’t even the first person to do dark and gritty with Batman on the big screen. There was a 90’s animated movie (Mask of the Phantasm) that did just that and he was far from the first person to do a dark and gritty and action movie. Nolan is just a big a hack as anyone else if not worse because people credit him with originality.

[EDIT]

All this talk of ‘it’s a recession originality takes a backseat’ isn’t entirely true. If you’re looking for ground breaking originality in a summer blockbuster than 99% of the time you’re going to be disappointed regardless of the state of the economy. There is however still a huge amount of original film making happening where it always happens – smaller lower budget pictures.

As I said before the whole dark teenage thing and the heavily focusing on the love story (which are the two main themes in the trailer) is where Twilight comes in.

Heavy focus on the love story? Have you actually watched the trailer? That's really not a heavy focus on a love story.

This post has been edited by Mister R: Jul 20 2011, 22:26

[Corius]

That was kinda the point of my post.

Also bottom line is, the film is out to make money, if the studios think that using a proven style of angst and grit will get them it, they will go for it, regardless of the fans feelings.

I hit reply before you'd posted. You ruined the flow of my sarcastic response damn it!

alright then, who?
Name me one other superhero film that did the dark and gritty angle before Nolan did and was just as successful as Batman and was a reboot or a remake or a refuckingwhatever of an already established set of superhero films?

The James Bond franchise was reinvented as darker and grittier in the 80’s with the Dalton movies something that continued to some extent with Brosnan’s Golden Eye and those who suffered through Inception should be able to attest to the fact that Nolan isn’t exactly unfamiliar with the Bond franchise. However my point wasn’t specifically related to rebooting a franchise, superhero or otherwise, but more aimed at this ridiculous notion that any film that has the faint appearance of being ‘dark and gritty’ is following in the footsteps of Nolan’s Batman because obviously Nolan is so mind-blowingly original he created this dark and gritty action movie subgenre from nowhere.

In truth Nolan wasn’t even the first person to do dark and gritty with Batman on the big screen. There was a 90’s animated movie (Mask of the Phantasm) that did just that and he was far from the first person to do a dark and gritty and action movie. Nolan is just a big a hack as anyone else if not worse because people credit him with originality.

[EDIT]

All this talk of ‘it’s a recession originality takes a backseat’ isn’t entirely true. If you’re looking for ground breaking originality in a summer blockbuster than 99% of the time you’re going to be disappointed regardless of the state of the economy. There is however still a huge amount of original film making happening where it always happens – smaller lower budget pictures.

As I said before the whole dark teenage thing and the heavily focusing on the love story (which are the two main themes in the trailer) is where Twilight comes in.

Heavy focus on the love story? Have you actually watched the trailer? That's really not a heavy focus on a love story.

I agree with the bold to a certain extent, but I do think although the recession isn't the root cause of the lack of originality, it certainly is making it very prominent.

[Mister R]

To a degree the recession has heightened the problem purely because major studios have been less inclined to take a chance on a smaller name director, they've wanted trusted/known names at the helm of their big projects so there hasn't been the injection of new blood in the big studio pictures. Nolan probably wouldn't get financing for Batman Begins over the past year or two if he hadn't already directed a successful blockbuster at Warner Bros. or somewhere else.

Slowly that's started to change with Marc Webb getting Spiderman and Duncan Jones being courted for major projects. But in recent times unless you're an established name or have an established name behind you getting major financing for a film has been incredibly difficult.

[AdrienAsche]

I actually never used the words "rip off." I did use the word "blatant," which may have been a stretch. Over all, I was agreeing with Astron that they're trying to cash in (not rip off--there's a difference) on the popularity of Twilight and Batman by styling his hair in an Edwardly fashion, and using music that is very Zimmer-Batman. At least two people agree with me, which doesn't make me right, but it does make my view at least somewhat plausible. You disagree? That's cool, but it's evident that neither one of us are going to convince the other of anything. Sorry Astron, but you've got dai to help you out, too, and it appears that plenty of other people aren't clamoring to Mister R's aid any time soon.

I respect your opinion and don't think negatively of you for holding it but as I said in a previous comment I really can't see where you're coming from on the Twilight angle. I just can't see any comparison at all on that one (of course I accept there may be comparisons when we see the final film) but in terms of Andrew's appearance, and particularly his hairstyle, it looks very much like the way it has usually looked throughout his career.

I've never worried about where I stand with you, Nosferatu. It's just a simple association I make with his hair. I guess it's not the same for everybody, and that's just fine with me. And you have the upper hand in that you've seen far more of his work and appearances.

However, I still think he may have been selected for a passing resemblance to Pattinson, as Alex Pettyfer was selected for being Edward Cullen-like for Beastly (if IMDb is to be believed--a dubious source). Anyway, it's only a passing resemblance for me at that; seeing them together in a few pictures a while back, I think they look similar in some ways. By no means am I saying they're trying to make it like Twilight. At most they're just trying to lure some teeniebopper girls into the theater.

[Astron]

Heavy focus on the love story? Have you actually watched the trailer? That's really not a heavy focus on a love story.

Funny, the two things I take from the trailer is that Peter is heavily depressed about the loss of his parents and that he is lusting after some blonde chick.

[Mister R]

The Amazing Spiderman 2 will be released May 2 2014