QUOTE(sanitynotincluded @ Aug 16 2012, 19:08)
Romney is no more bound to Ryan's budget...
I'd be inclined to agree but Ryan's been thrown into a fairly unique situation here. Firstly the only thing anyone really knows about him is his budget. Secondly nobody actually seems to know what Romney's policy plans are so there isn't a 'Romney budget' for people to really get behind instead. Thirdly the Democratic tactic is going to be to tag Ryan (and by extension Romney) with the Ryan budget. Fourthly Ryan's a much more dynamic figure than Romney so there's just more interest in him than Romney. And there's more. Individually (or a couple of these problems) could be overcome. Combined though they make a very big mountain to climb and the Republican's aren't doing a good job. You only have to watch Ryan and the Republican surrogates talk themselves in circles on the issue to see that's the case.
When someone suggests that a person is unappealing because they were a low ranking congressman when the deficit and debt increased, it is quite sensible to point out that the impact of that is more than a little mitigated by the fact that the alternative is a ticket which increased the deficit and debt by more, in less than half the time, and had more control of events during the time in which it happened. This suggest that your imagination is confined to levels which are completely unhinged from reality.
Lovely. Not what I took exception to. I took exception to your nonsense statistic hence me saying this is a nonsense statistic.
QUOTE(Parsifal @ Aug 18 2012, 15:58)
Now they're saying that Medicare must be saved from the $716 billion in cuts President Obama wants to make over the next 10 years. Although that same $716 billion was in the budget plan that Ryan got the House to pass this year. "We would never have done it" he told campaign reporters.
That's not the issue.
The issue absolutely is not that the Republican's are using the same 'cuts' as Obama the issue is that there aren't any cuts to begin with. It is demonstrably untrue to say that Obama (or anyone else) has cut $700 billion from Medicare. Its also demonstrably untrue to suggest that these '$700 billion cuts' negatively effect Medicare or the services it provides.
Also for the record this magical $716 billion figure Republicans have settled on comes from a CBO report that details how much Medicare spending would increase if 'Obamacare' is repealed. So the Republican argument is that since a repeal of the Affordable Care Act would necessitate a $700 billion increase in Medicare spending Obama has cut or 'stolen' $700 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare.
Paul Ryan has had an absolute pig of a week though.
It turns out that whilst he was publicly denouncing stimulus spending he was requesting funds for his state and secured more than $20 million from the fund as a result. Worse than that tapes of him forcibly arguing for stimulus and extolling their virtues and historical success and that sometimes Government spending is needed and essential has also been dusted off this week whilst he's been claiming stimulus spending doesn't work. There's also interesting comments from him on those tapes about how unemployment can continue to drag even when recovery begins...
Ultimately what the tapes are is Paul Ryan making all the arguments that Democrats should be making. Its somewhat staggering.