The alleged phone "hacking" by NoTW Options

[veeeight]

1. Calling someone's mobile, waiting for it to go to voicemail and then entering their four digit pin (0000) is not hacking. Hacking is about circumventing security, not being presented with them and passing them.

2. Calling someone's mobile, waiting for it to go to voicemail and then entering their four digit pin (0000) is not tapping. Tapping is the covert act of real-time interception of active communication links.


So desperate are they for the scalp of Coulson and a side-swipe at Murdoch, that they're writing letters and creating Twitter ribbons, the latter of course being that if they can make Coulson "trend" on a social networking site it constitutes "action" - they missed the memo about Twitter being a bit last year it seems.

The thing is, will they succeed? Probably not. You see what they fail to realise, whilst they're publishing their open letters, calling for reviews, and delving into conspiratorial intrigue, is that no one out here actually gives a shit. Cheryl is more important.


Like it not. That people acting for the NotW might have illegally accessed the mobiles of Z-list celebrities and dodgy politicians to get stories for us to consume isn't as important as today's stories about popular culture that we want to readily consume. Without the accessing we wouldn't get out fix and the fix is more important than how we go it.

You might not like that, you might be like John Prescott, you might be blustering with indignation about it because he's blustering with indignation. You weren't, naturally, blustering with indignation about it after the story was laid to rest previously, but things have changed now, the other loonies from the other wing of the Asylum have taken over, and boy does that piss you off.

Speaking of Prescott:

Anyone remember when Lord John Prescott, class traitor of the highest order, went off on one in fits of rage at Andrew Rawnsley on Newsnight? If not you can watch it below.

Essentially this now Peer of the Realm, went off his proverbial tits over the issue of "unnamed sources" in Rawnsley's book where it suggested Brown was a bit of a bully. He moaned on about the fact that you simply can't trust journalists who hide behind unnamed sources.

Now fast-forward to today and what is Lord Prescott of Chipfat upon Hull doing? He's calling for a judicial review into the Metropolitan Police over the News of the World voicemail listening scandal (Andy Coulson being editor at the time) after the an article in the New York Times quoted..... errrr unnamed detectives.

I take it that not trusting journalists who hiding behind unnamed sources is no longer the "line to take" huh My Lord?

What a surprise, a politician that shifts his opinion to suit his political needs. And they wonder why the public hate them more than estate agents?

(from Dizzy)

[Rustythedog]

None of that makes much sense at all. What's his point?

[Humpty Dumpty]

Could it be the Pakistan Cricket Board getting its own back?

[alaninmcr]

What a surprise, a politician that shifts his opinion to suit his political needs. And they wonder why the public hate them more than estate agents?

When Labour were in power they seemed more than happy for Coulson and the NOTW to get away with it as shown by the pathetic investigation by the Culture Select Committee. Possibly they were afraid of Murdoch and/or still hoping to get back his papers' support.

It's really only Private Eye that come out of this with any credit. They covered the story and continued to cover it even when everyone else was saying "nothing to see here, move along".

[Humpty Dumpty]

I see that Rebekah Brooks, friend of the great and the bad, has now been charged along with her husband, PA and driver with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. As far as I know Raisa, the retired police horse has not been charge. I wonder if Rebekah has any text of support, perhaps - "Sorry I cannot be more supportive in your time of need, Lord Leveson has been on the ropes" lol Hackgate

[dan999uk]

Gaining access to a system that you have no authority to access is hacking - the fact that the user has left a default security code in place doesn't give you any right to access their voicemail.

[stevo]

[hothands]

Murdock's UK papers have spent the last 40 years pouring tons of shite on the English judiciary. I've a funny feeling that they are about to get their own back.

[sanitynotincluded]

The difference is that there is nothing improper about newspapers offering opinions on the judiciary. The judiciary using the bench to pursue a vendetta on the other hand is unconscionable.

[stevo]

The difference is that there is nothing improper about newspapers offering opinions on the judiciary. The judiciary using the bench to pursue a vendetta on the other hand is unconscionable.

Oh but this vendetta is surely worth it. Concepts of unconscionability are not be part of the super, soaraway Sun's DNA.

At best we can hope that in the end, off Murdoch fucks, declaring never to darken these shores again. Then they can have a public inquiry into the public inquiry if they like.

[sanitynotincluded]

Oh but this vendetta is surely worth it.

Not at all. I rather like the idea of the justice system bearing at least a passing resemblance to justice.

At best we can hope that in the end, off Murdoch fucks, declaring never to darken these shores again.

That would be a disaster. There's nobody else likely to challenge the beeb's insidious hegemony.

[Parsifal]

At best we can hope that in the end, off Murdoch fucks, declaring never to darken these shores again.

That would be a disaster. There's nobody else likely to challenge the beeb's insidious hegemony.

It would be nice if the Wall Street Journal's integrity could be restored.

[stevo]

There's nobody else likely to challenge the beeb's insidious hegemony.

Are we still talking about the media or is this an as-yet uncovered level of Diablo III?

On another note, I see that Jeremy 'Mr Impartiality' Hunt believed that failing to hand BSkyB lock, stock and barrel over to News International would have been 'a disaster for the media in the UK'. Hence Dave considered him an ideal candidate to take over from that nasty, partisan Vince Cable in deciding whether the Murdoch bid should be waved through considered in the best interests of the public.

Why, oh why do we so insist in probing these matters, when instead we should just leave everything to Dave and his mates, who we know always act in our best interests?

[Dominus]

Here's an idea to throw into this topic...

Let us suppose that instead of Murdoch's Media doing the hacking into people's mobile phones, it was the state, in the form of the intelligence services.

Would those who say there is no problem still be saying that?

My own take on the matter is complicated by the fact that I don't have voicemail on my mobile - it's a system I detest and I refuse to have it. The closest analogy I have is email - it is my email, not anyone else's, so no-one else has any right to tamper with it, or break in to it and read through it's contents.

[sanitynotincluded]

Would those who say there is no problem still be saying that?

Who's said that there is no problem?

[stevo]

News just in... flame-haired lovely Rebekah (nice tits) hath protesteth her innocenth:

BBC News

"... I have spent my journalistic career campaigning for victims of crime", Mrs Brooks said in a statement."

Really love? I thought you'd spent it flogging hot gossip to the masses.

[Parsifal]

The closest analogy I have is email - it is my email, not anyone else's, so no-one else has any right to tamper with it, or break in to it and read through it's contents.

You'll love this Dominus, but that is exactly what the federal government here in the US does.

[Humpty Dumpty]

News just in... flame-haired lovely Rebekah (nice tits) hath protesteth her innocenth:

BBC News

"... I have spent my journalistic career campaigning for victims of crime", Mrs Brooks said in a statement."

Really love? I thought you'd spent it flogging hot gossip to the masses.

She also said that she was angry at being charged - I just wonder how many people are 'pleased' with beign charged with a criminal offence.

Of course Mrs Brooks is innocent until proven quilty, should that happen I wonder if there will be a new series of Bad Girls?

[Dominus]

The closest analogy I have is email - it is my email, not anyone else's, so no-one else has any right to tamper with it, or break in to it and read through it's contents.

You'll love this Dominus, but that is exactly what the federal government here in the US does.

Would you by any chance be referring to Echelon? It's in NZ at Waihopai - search on Google images for that name...

It also gives me a reason to never enter the US - the email trail I created when I tried purchasing a dual use chemical about 10 years ago. Sod the fact I did it as part of my job at the time...

[Parsifal]

The closest analogy I have is email - it is my email, not anyone else's, so no-one else has any right to tamper with it, or break in to it and read through it's contents.

You'll love this Dominus, but that is exactly what the federal government here in the US does.

Would you by any chance be referring to Echelon? It's in NZ at Waihopai - search on Google images for that name...

No. I never heard of Echelon. Very interesting. Thanks for pointing me to that. It doesn't surprise me in the least however. I'm way too jaded for that.

I was thinking of the illegal electronic spying that began in the Bush administration and Obama, during his 2008 election campaign, said he would dismantle. It turns out that he's found it to be way too convenient to do anything about it (plus, I'm sure, somebody has him by the balls as usual, although I suspect that his balls are very small).

It also gives me a reason to never enter the US - the email trail I created when I tried purchasing a dual use chemical about 10 years ago. Sod the fact I did it as part of my job at the time...

Oh, do come and visit. It's really a very beautiful country and the people are lovely (even though half of them vote Republican. )